I made a thread weeks ago about my theory that he was dumbledores son, first time I've seen someone else mention it, personally I'm convinced this is the way it will go...and maybe Dumbledore was possibly on the boat that night. The dude is obviously lying and he is not his brother. I agree though, the reveal on who Creedance really is, is going to be rather lackluster. SIGH. Or is there a theory? Grindelwald, wanting to help Albus escape his guardianship of Ariana, fakes her death, maybe wipes her memory, and ships her off to who-knows-where (probably this one, so we can scapegoat the bad guy), Dumbledore, knowing she will be more safe and out of the way, and for his own ambitions, ships her off and fakes her death (too dark), Aberforth, fearing Grindelwald will hurt her one day, and because he loves goats so much, helps her escape to protect her (escape goat), Either way…she gets shipped off and SHE’S STILL ALIVE SIGH. ._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp{margin-bottom:24px;text-transform:uppercase;width:100%}._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp:last-child{margin-bottom:10px} Just like Credence from the trauma of his whole life situation. .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{height:24px;vertical-align:middle;width:24px}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} This doesn't make sense. (There could even be a Time-Turner involved… but let’s please, please not go there.) Either way, I absolutely agree that Rowling is nowhere near as clever as she thinks she is, and whatever she pulls in Fantastic Beasts 3 will probably be too much of a stretch. I will be really disappointed otherwise. The ship's voyage was in 1901 and so the wiki is now saying that is probably when he was born. The proof, he says, is in the phoenix chick who came to Credence in his hour of … ETA: Assuming Grindelwald isn't flat-out lying. That’s literally where Fantastic Beasts 2 ends, and you may have some questions. A subreddit to discuss the new installments in the Wizarding World, the Fantastic Beasts series! Hi everyone!! In Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald, it's theoretically possible that Gellert Grindelwald lied to Credence Barebone about being Aurelius Dumbledore. But still possible considering. Ehh, I don’t think she’s a sloppy writer, she just shouldn’t write screenplays. I could see this being true if he just told Credence he is a Dumbledore, but he told him he's Aurelius Dumbledore. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} So what do you think? I don't think Credence was ever intended to be thought of as a brother (but I don't blame people, the plot was super confusing). He has no clue that he will try to (and inevitably) break the pact. Which means that it doesn't seem possible is Credence/Aurelius is Dumbledore's brother. Now here's what I'm thinking, sometime between 1899 and 1901... she became pregnant (a teen pregnancy yes, I know, but it does happen, I'm really not sure why people are saying it's impossible just because she was approximately only 15 or 16, in fact teen pregnancies were quite a common problem in England during the time of the first Harry Potter books being written). The escape goat part killed me. OK this had me laughing for a while. I seriously doubt Percival would have remarried - everything he did, he did for the safety of his family, and he could have easily told the truth about Ariana's situation and gotten a reduced sentence. This likely half-sibling relationship between Leta, who is currently engaged to Newt’s brother Theseus, and Credence introduces new reasons to worry that Credence may wind up siding with Grindelwald. The Phoenix was always a part of the plan, and was just a tool to convince Creedance further. Therefore, Grindelwald needs someone else powerful enough to defeat Dumbledore. Yeah... no. This could go against all our canon knowledge – we know Albus Dumbledore only has a brother (Aberforth) and a sister (Ariana), so another sibling could complicate things. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/ReredditLink.f7b66a91705891e84a09.css.map*/ Credence is his brother only because the Phoenix showed up for Credence. .Rd5g7JmL4Fdk-aZi1-U_V{transition:all .1s linear 0s}._2TMXtA984ePtHXMkOpHNQm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;margin-bottom:4px}.CneW1mCG4WJXxJbZl5tzH{border-top:1px solid var(--newRedditTheme-line);margin-top:16px;padding-top:16px}._11ARF4IQO4h3HeKPpPg0xb{transition:all .1s linear 0s;display:none;fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:middle;margin-bottom:2px;margin-left:4px;cursor:pointer}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:hover ._11ARF4IQO4h3HeKPpPg0xb{display:inline-block}._2IvhQwkgv_7K0Q3R0695Cs{border-radius:4px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line)}._2IvhQwkgv_7K0Q3R0695Cs:focus{outline:none}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B{transition:all .1s linear 0s;border-radius:4px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line)}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:focus{outline:none}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B.IeceazVNz_gGZfKXub0ak,._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:hover{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk{margin-top:25px;left:-9px}._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP,._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP:focus-within,._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP:hover{transition:all .1s linear 0s;border:none;padding:8px 8px 0}._25yWxLGH4C6j26OKFx8kD5{display:inline}._2YsVWIEj0doZMxreeY6iDG{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;padding:4px 6px}._1hFCAcL4_gkyWN0KM96zgg{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);margin-right:8px;margin-left:auto;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-errorText)}._1hFCAcL4_gkyWN0KM96zgg,._1dF0IdghIrnqkJiUxfswxd{font-size:12px;font-weight:700;line-height:16px;cursor:pointer;-ms-flex-item-align:end;align-self:flex-end;-webkit-user-select:none;-ms-user-select:none;user-select:none}._1dF0IdghIrnqkJiUxfswxd{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._3VGrhUu842I3acqBMCoSAq{font-weight:700;color:#ff4500;text-transform:uppercase;margin-right:4px}._3VGrhUu842I3acqBMCoSAq,.edyFgPHILhf5OLH2vk-tk{font-size:12px;line-height:16px}.edyFgPHILhf5OLH2vk-tk{font-weight:400;-ms-flex-preferred-size:100%;flex-basis:100%;margin-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX{margin-top:6px}._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._3MAHaXXXXi9Xrmc_oMPTdP{margin-top:4px} None of this also explains how Grindelwald knows about this. It's weird, everyone's instant thought was that he was a brother, it wasn't mine at all, he looks WAY too young to be a brother. At most he thinks he lost it in the chaos. All this stuff about the aunt being the mother or him not even being real just seems a little crazy. Their lifeboat sailed to safety… Hence fawkes being there for credence, fawkes recognizes part of credence as being a Dumbledore and needing the most amount of protection. Maybe Grindelwald was lying? She’s built for novels, and by Crimes of Grindelwald, you could tell it was a very novel-like plot. It's weird, everyone's instant thought was that he was a brother, it wasn't mine at all, he looks WAY too young to be a brother. Obscurials created by traumatic magical suppression. However, Aurelius is an entirely new Dumbledore, and it’s hard to imagine how on earth he could even be distantly Do you agree with me that Credence is the son of Percival Dumbledore? ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} That means either he knows Albus had a brother by the name of Aurelius or he just made the whole thing up. Was he lying? moist popular theory is that arianna's obscurus now resides in credence. Grindlewald tells Credence that phoenixes always appear to a Dumbledore in their time of need, because HE IS DUMBLEDORE’S BROTHER. From looking on various wikis there is this suggestion that Ariana died during a fight with Albus and Grindelwald and that they stopped being friends soon after. ._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb{overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb:before{background-image:url(https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/reddit_pattern.png);content:"";filter:var(--newCommunityTheme-invertFilter);height:100%;position:absolute;width:100%}._37WD6iicVS6vGN0RomNTwh{padding:0 12px 12px;position:relative}